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galadhir:
I know size difference is a kink and some people take it to extremes because they love it, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But in a Ky/ux context it does bother me a little because we don’t know what Hux looks like under the uniform. We know what Domhnall looks like, but Domhnall is not a guy who’s been doing military PT since he was five. Pretty sure Domhnall’s never hit the gym in his life - (good for him, btw). But the SW costumers have gone to some efforts to make him look broader, and we don’t know whether that’s because Hux is trying to look broader than Domhnall, or it’s because Hux is broader than Domhnall. They’re not the same people.
I mean, yes, someone with his body-type is probably never going to be as stacked as Kylo. He’s much more likely to turn out lithe, sinewy, like Daisy Ridley who doesn’t look like she could lift the weight of a fully grown man, but she can. But that still doesn’t add up to ‘tiny’, ‘delicate’ ‘birdlike’ and ‘soft.’
I know it partly bothers me because of the heteronormative thing, but it also bothers me in terms of characterization. The guy is (a) military, (b) raised in a society where assassination is a way to the top - and who therefore needs to stay fit in case he ends up in an unscheduled fight to the death, ( c) an overachiever in terms of trying to make his father proud of him, with a father who disdains him for being skinny.
To me this adds up to a guy who’s going to do everything he can to be as battle-ready as he can. And in that case he is not going to have the body of a self confident actor who’s obviously content with what nature gave him. Hux isn’t Domhnall, is all I’m saying.
Isn’t it weird how fanons take off? I’ll see you your weird fandom obsession with stick-figure weakling Hux and raise you the oddly-ubiquitous Chubby Poe! Just because Oscar Isaac played a role wherein he had approximately three pounds of visible midriff fat, once.
As with basically all these things, the first time or two you encounter it in a fic you’re like, okay cool, but then you keep running into it and you’re like wait when did this happen.
Maybe it’s because I’m really not into size-difference. I don’t really. Get it? I’m much larger than my partner horizontally, but he’s much taller than me, and I’ve never found either of those things particularly erotic, besides just plain finding him physically attractive such that whatever he is seems pretty great to me.
And I think it’s worse in Stormpilot stuff because Oscar Isaac and John Boyega are almost the same height, and while John Boyega is indisputably a very well-built young man who has been a sweet and generous benefactor in providing Snapchats of himself working out, Oscar Isaac is not slight at all; he’s really not strongly anything, figure-wise, neither particularly slim nor particularly stocky, and has not been kind enough to feature in any of Boyega’s workout videos beyond being an offscreen voice. [But… he was there, clearly, so to imagine that he’s not doing any physical training for the movie seems weird to me. you really think he’s got little enough going on in his life that he’s just at the gym to yell encouragement?]
But for Llewyn Davis he got himself a soft little belly to slouch around in undershirts with, and like. That’s just. That’s Poe now. Poe’s body is that of a depressed singer-songwriter-couchsurfer, it Just Is.
Once in a while I like that in a story but it’s kind of everywhere and that’s what’s weird to me. (If you read this and you write this you can assure yourself that you are one of the examples I read before it got too common, LOL. And if you wrote a story where Poe being fat was A Thing, this doesn’t apply. I’m talking about the weirdness of how it’s just an accepted thing in a whole bunch of fics, as if it were present in the canon source material, along with being nice to his droid and deferential to Leia.)
Now the gratuitous visual analysis, mostly because I wanted to look at gifs of dudes with their shirts off:
doesn’t have a whole lot of spare flesh no but I still don’t think I’d want to try to outrun him y ‘know? also that is a man who has never done a push-up (a beautiful and underappreciated aesthetic if you ask me!), but you can’t tell me to my face that Armitage Hux has never done a push-up. That thigh muscle definition is just from existing while bipedal. It’s not a stretch to think he’d have equivalent musculature in his upper body if he did any kind of normal military training.
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like you can make him chubby if you want but he doesn’t necessarily have to be, y’know?? It doesn’t have to be every fic. I like a little diversity in my representations but it’s kind of ubiquitous to find, like, throwaway lines about him being self-conscious about his body in fics that don’t otherwise address it, and that makes me wonder if these writers are envisioning the same person I am. I know pilots don’t work out a ton by definition but generally speaking military personnel *do* have to adhere to fitness standards, and while that doesn’t mean individually-defined abs of course [I’ve no doubt Snap Wexley meets and exceeds the fitness standards, he’s just fine as he is too], it’s weird to insist that this character wouldn’t, at 32, still be able to be in conventionally-good shape.
(Maybe that’s why I’m touchy: 32 isn’t old??? It’s reasonable that he’d think about his relative age to the 23-year-old character he’s often paired with– that’s an age gap, it’s worth mentioning! but he’s not like. Physically decrepit. Or he doesn’t have to be anyway.)
Let’s be real though I really just wanted to put gifs in this post since I never do that sort of thing, LOL.
galadhir:
I know size difference is a kink and some people take it to extremes because they love it, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But in a Ky/ux context it does bother me a little because we don’t know what Hux looks like under the uniform. We know what Domhnall looks like, but Domhnall is not a guy who’s been doing military PT since he was five. Pretty sure Domhnall’s never hit the gym in his life - (good for him, btw). But the SW costumers have gone to some efforts to make him look broader, and we don’t know whether that’s because Hux is trying to look broader than Domhnall, or it’s because Hux is broader than Domhnall. They’re not the same people.
I mean, yes, someone with his body-type is probably never going to be as stacked as Kylo. He’s much more likely to turn out lithe, sinewy, like Daisy Ridley who doesn’t look like she could lift the weight of a fully grown man, but she can. But that still doesn’t add up to ‘tiny’, ‘delicate’ ‘birdlike’ and ‘soft.’
I know it partly bothers me because of the heteronormative thing, but it also bothers me in terms of characterization. The guy is (a) military, (b) raised in a society where assassination is a way to the top - and who therefore needs to stay fit in case he ends up in an unscheduled fight to the death, ( c) an overachiever in terms of trying to make his father proud of him, with a father who disdains him for being skinny.
To me this adds up to a guy who’s going to do everything he can to be as battle-ready as he can. And in that case he is not going to have the body of a self confident actor who’s obviously content with what nature gave him. Hux isn’t Domhnall, is all I’m saying.
Isn’t it weird how fanons take off? I’ll see you your weird fandom obsession with stick-figure weakling Hux and raise you the oddly-ubiquitous Chubby Poe! Just because Oscar Isaac played a role wherein he had approximately three pounds of visible midriff fat, once.
As with basically all these things, the first time or two you encounter it in a fic you’re like, okay cool, but then you keep running into it and you’re like wait when did this happen.
Maybe it’s because I’m really not into size-difference. I don’t really. Get it? I’m much larger than my partner horizontally, but he’s much taller than me, and I’ve never found either of those things particularly erotic, besides just plain finding him physically attractive such that whatever he is seems pretty great to me.
And I think it’s worse in Stormpilot stuff because Oscar Isaac and John Boyega are almost the same height, and while John Boyega is indisputably a very well-built young man who has been a sweet and generous benefactor in providing Snapchats of himself working out, Oscar Isaac is not slight at all; he’s really not strongly anything, figure-wise, neither particularly slim nor particularly stocky, and has not been kind enough to feature in any of Boyega’s workout videos beyond being an offscreen voice. [But… he was there, clearly, so to imagine that he’s not doing any physical training for the movie seems weird to me. you really think he’s got little enough going on in his life that he’s just at the gym to yell encouragement?]
But for Llewyn Davis he got himself a soft little belly to slouch around in undershirts with, and like. That’s just. That’s Poe now. Poe’s body is that of a depressed singer-songwriter-couchsurfer, it Just Is.
Once in a while I like that in a story but it’s kind of everywhere and that’s what’s weird to me. (If you read this and you write this you can assure yourself that you are one of the examples I read before it got too common, LOL. And if you wrote a story where Poe being fat was A Thing, this doesn’t apply. I’m talking about the weirdness of how it’s just an accepted thing in a whole bunch of fics, as if it were present in the canon source material, along with being nice to his droid and deferential to Leia.)
Now the gratuitous visual analysis, mostly because I wanted to look at gifs of dudes with their shirts off:
doesn’t have a whole lot of spare flesh no but I still don’t think I’d want to try to outrun him y ‘know? also that is a man who has never done a push-up (a beautiful and underappreciated aesthetic if you ask me!), but you can’t tell me to my face that Armitage Hux has never done a push-up. That thigh muscle definition is just from existing while bipedal. It’s not a stretch to think he’d have equivalent musculature in his upper body if he did any kind of normal military training.
and
like you can make him chubby if you want but he doesn’t necessarily have to be, y’know?? It doesn’t have to be every fic. I like a little diversity in my representations but it’s kind of ubiquitous to find, like, throwaway lines about him being self-conscious about his body in fics that don’t otherwise address it, and that makes me wonder if these writers are envisioning the same person I am. I know pilots don’t work out a ton by definition but generally speaking military personnel *do* have to adhere to fitness standards, and while that doesn’t mean individually-defined abs of course [I’ve no doubt Snap Wexley meets and exceeds the fitness standards, he’s just fine as he is too], it’s weird to insist that this character wouldn’t, at 32, still be able to be in conventionally-good shape.
(Maybe that’s why I’m touchy: 32 isn’t old??? It’s reasonable that he’d think about his relative age to the 23-year-old character he’s often paired with– that’s an age gap, it’s worth mentioning! but he’s not like. Physically decrepit. Or he doesn’t have to be anyway.)
Let’s be real though I really just wanted to put gifs in this post since I never do that sort of thing, LOL.
