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galadhir:
socialistexan:
whatpostsnstuff:
fandomsandfeminism:
strongforanother:
fandomsandfeminism:
I think we really need to reaffirm now that no amount of homophobia can be acceptable in our culture. There is no such this as harmless or victimless homophobia. All homophobia contributes to violence against us. You can not “disagree” with lgbt people’s “lifestyles” without supporting the rhetoric and legislation that puts us in very real danger.
Homophobia isn’t that black and white though. You can hate the sin and still love the sinner.
I don’t think you can. I think to classify our existence as “a sin” is in itself an act of hate and an act of violence. People can not see me and think that who I am as a person is “sinful” and, at the same time, genuinely love me.
This is a sentiment that I see come up rather often if not expressed explicitly in this way. I don’t normally say anything but I just felt like I had to. My intention is not to hate on anyone, negate any experiences people have had, or make myself into the victim. That said, the idea that one group can claim absolute moral high ground regardless of other people’s beliefs is just wrong. We live in a country that was founded on the ideas of free speech, free expression, and freedom of religion. It is wrong to infringe upon those liberties to say people lifestyles and beliefs should not be allowed. We are allowed to disagree about what is moral. But that doesn’t mean any group is allowed is blacklist another. Has the LGBT+ community faced a lot of persecution and hardship? Yes. Without a doubt. But, to say that no one is allowed to disagree with their lifestyle goes far beyond and rights afforded in the construction. It is possible to “hate the sin and love the sinner” just as it is possible to both hate and love yourself. I can recognize that I am a flawed and imperfect human being and hate the sin that exists in my life, while still loving who I am in Christ and the person he made me to be.
In short, I think required, or desired, compliance in thinking and beliefs is perhaps the worst thing that could ever happen to this country going forward.
I s2g people in this country don’t know what Freedom of Religion means.
Freedom of Religion means that the government can’t persecute or arrest you religious beliefs and how you practice them IN PRIVATE. You can’t force your beliefs onto others, use them to trample on the rights and liberties of others, only maybe exempt yourself from certain laws. It is both Freedom of AND FROM religion.
The Freedom of Speech just means you won’t be arrested for homophobia, but I also have the right to call you a homophobic asshole for you opinion. The Freedom of Speech is not an all purpose shield from criticism.
But, then, what are you “disagreeing” with here? Our very existence, what lifestyle do you mean? Because LGBTQIA people have as diverse variety of lifestyles and beliefs, just as cishet people do. So, isn’t that hatred of being? Your right to hate my being vs my right to hate you for that action (judging on “content of character”). It is not belief vs belief, it is belief vs being.
We, as a culture, deciding that homophobia is unacceptable is different from the government mandating that homophobia is a punishable offence.
As a Christian, I’m familiar with the idea of ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’. But that idea is predicated on the belief that the sin is an action. It’s something that you can do or refrain from doing. It’s not an essential part of your being.
But a person’s sexuality/orientation *is* an essential part of their being. It’s a core part of who they are. You can be gay and never act on it, and it will still be there in the centre of you, informing your whole personality. A gay person’s orientation is not something they can just take away or stop doing, in the same way that a straight person can’t stop being straight by force of will.
This means that in this instance you *can’t* hate the sin without hating the sinner. And we are forbidden to hate people. It is God’s command that we love our neighbour as we love ourselves.
If you’re straight and you don’t think your sexual orientation is a sin, then loving your neighbour in the same way that you love yourself means that you need to start remembering that your neighbour’s orientation is not a sin either.
And if your neighbour’s orientation is not a sin, then leave the judging of everything else up to God, as you were also commanded to do. But remember that the person who Jesus praised as having the greatest faith of anyone he had met was the gay centurion who asked him to heal his lover. Stop prying around in everyone else’s relationships with God and with each other, and address your own.
galadhir:
socialistexan:
whatpostsnstuff:
fandomsandfeminism:
strongforanother:
fandomsandfeminism:
I think we really need to reaffirm now that no amount of homophobia can be acceptable in our culture. There is no such this as harmless or victimless homophobia. All homophobia contributes to violence against us. You can not “disagree” with lgbt people’s “lifestyles” without supporting the rhetoric and legislation that puts us in very real danger.
Homophobia isn’t that black and white though. You can hate the sin and still love the sinner.
I don’t think you can. I think to classify our existence as “a sin” is in itself an act of hate and an act of violence. People can not see me and think that who I am as a person is “sinful” and, at the same time, genuinely love me.
This is a sentiment that I see come up rather often if not expressed explicitly in this way. I don’t normally say anything but I just felt like I had to. My intention is not to hate on anyone, negate any experiences people have had, or make myself into the victim. That said, the idea that one group can claim absolute moral high ground regardless of other people’s beliefs is just wrong. We live in a country that was founded on the ideas of free speech, free expression, and freedom of religion. It is wrong to infringe upon those liberties to say people lifestyles and beliefs should not be allowed. We are allowed to disagree about what is moral. But that doesn’t mean any group is allowed is blacklist another. Has the LGBT+ community faced a lot of persecution and hardship? Yes. Without a doubt. But, to say that no one is allowed to disagree with their lifestyle goes far beyond and rights afforded in the construction. It is possible to “hate the sin and love the sinner” just as it is possible to both hate and love yourself. I can recognize that I am a flawed and imperfect human being and hate the sin that exists in my life, while still loving who I am in Christ and the person he made me to be.
In short, I think required, or desired, compliance in thinking and beliefs is perhaps the worst thing that could ever happen to this country going forward.
I s2g people in this country don’t know what Freedom of Religion means.
Freedom of Religion means that the government can’t persecute or arrest you religious beliefs and how you practice them IN PRIVATE. You can’t force your beliefs onto others, use them to trample on the rights and liberties of others, only maybe exempt yourself from certain laws. It is both Freedom of AND FROM religion.
The Freedom of Speech just means you won’t be arrested for homophobia, but I also have the right to call you a homophobic asshole for you opinion. The Freedom of Speech is not an all purpose shield from criticism.
But, then, what are you “disagreeing” with here? Our very existence, what lifestyle do you mean? Because LGBTQIA people have as diverse variety of lifestyles and beliefs, just as cishet people do. So, isn’t that hatred of being? Your right to hate my being vs my right to hate you for that action (judging on “content of character”). It is not belief vs belief, it is belief vs being.
We, as a culture, deciding that homophobia is unacceptable is different from the government mandating that homophobia is a punishable offence.
As a Christian, I’m familiar with the idea of ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’. But that idea is predicated on the belief that the sin is an action. It’s something that you can do or refrain from doing. It’s not an essential part of your being.
But a person’s sexuality/orientation *is* an essential part of their being. It’s a core part of who they are. You can be gay and never act on it, and it will still be there in the centre of you, informing your whole personality. A gay person’s orientation is not something they can just take away or stop doing, in the same way that a straight person can’t stop being straight by force of will.
This means that in this instance you *can’t* hate the sin without hating the sinner. And we are forbidden to hate people. It is God’s command that we love our neighbour as we love ourselves.
If you’re straight and you don’t think your sexual orientation is a sin, then loving your neighbour in the same way that you love yourself means that you need to start remembering that your neighbour’s orientation is not a sin either.
And if your neighbour’s orientation is not a sin, then leave the judging of everything else up to God, as you were also commanded to do. But remember that the person who Jesus praised as having the greatest faith of anyone he had met was the gay centurion who asked him to heal his lover. Stop prying around in everyone else’s relationships with God and with each other, and address your own.
