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oh no @magickedteacup now I read all those things about TIE pilots, both Imperial and First Order, and I oh my god.
I sort of thought all those headcanons about Dark!Poe as a TIE fighter pilot being super-nuts were just headcanons for maximal agony, not actually fucking based on goddamn canon. What the fuck. Well then.
Finn surely knew some pilots. And he knew that pilots are fucking crazy. There’s no other way to characterize them! Jesus– so at first TIEs were designed to be disposable because the clone pilots were viewed as disposable (and what, planes are free? WTF Empire), but when they moved away from using clones the pilots refused to let engineers put shields onto TIEs because it was a point of pride that they had nothing to defend themselves with but their reflexes? And specifically the FO ones have been conditioned since youth to have fast reflexes? Christ almighty, what that says is that the FO has an entire corps of twitchy, suicidal pilots. That is what that says to me. They have to have such bizarre superstitious rituals, probably abuse stimulants, surely they burn out sometimes. They must be so twisted. I’m one thousand percent sure the FO does not have a corresponding psychologists’ corps to deal with these monsters they’ve created. (As an aside, too, in those two-seaters– how fucked-up do you think the gunners are? Those fuckers not only don’t have shields, they’re also not driving. I can’t fucking imagine. The two-seater TIEs are elite craft, so like– it’s an honor to be there and you have no shields and your driver is a fucking lunatic fanatic, in fact the best of the best thereof, who has been ceaselessly drilled since childhood to improve his reflexes, and told that if he dies it’s what he deserves. What does that make you???? )
So that means that Finn took one look at this Resistance pilot, knowing nothing about him except that he was a pilot and had mouthed off to Kylo Ren and had shot Slip, and was like, that dude is definitely completely fucking batshit, I’m gonna keep him.
That adds a whole lot to Finn’s grin and “I need a pilot” reaction when Poe got all bug-eyed and was like “you need a pilot”. Oh good, thought Finn, he is absolutely fucking crazy, that means he’s really a pilot.
How startled do you think he was later to learn that Poe wasn’t actually completely off his rocker?
Or, worse, what if his expectations were actually met? And the Resistance people were like “well you know, we’re under a lot of stress lately, most of us just got killed, we’re not usually so–”
and Finn’s like “Not usually so what? Everyone here seems normal. I mean, for pilots anyway. Actually you all twitch a lot less than I’m used to.”
That is fucked up you guys.
Tagged: also they state that pilots maintained their own aircraft which sounds like a fucking nightmare to me never give a pilot a wrench that’s a terrible fucking idea but what it says is that the pilots are *not* officers they are technicians that means they’re not at the briefings that means they’re not being given insight into commands they’re just handed orders and told to go for it they’re not given any input into missions they’re not asked anything they just blindly go and twitch where they’re told until they die
Successfully amused. Tagging @millicentthecat
[spoilers for Aftermath] by the end of the OT, TIE fighters have ejector seats… kind of… not particularly fabulously intuitive, hence why their existence is a spoiler… they exist now we’re all very proud of ourselves.
they’re also far more flexible/maneuverable than even the best Resistance ships, because of the whole “literally all offense” bit. “Of course, the trade-off is this: The TIE is a suicide ship, isn’t it? […] The whole thing is brittle like a bird skeleton.” (Poe’s reaction in TFA if that’s the first time he’s flown a First Order TIE fighter is probably similar to Nora’s here, tbh)
Bloodline confirms that after the war pilots (still) maintain their own ships, the idea being that if someone can fly fine but can’t–oh, here: “If you wanted to be an ace starfighter pilot, it wasn’t enough to love flying. You had to love everything that went into it, from flight pattern protocol to basic maintenance. Some guys who could fly like zephyrs washed out of the Academies because they couldn’t bring themselves back down to the ground long enough to take care of their ships.” (p. 228, that’s a Resistance pilot even)
by the time we’re looking at the First Order it might be more bloody-minded tradition–given that they started off with refurbished and salvaged Imperial ships–than practicality, but traditionally as far as resource preservation:production goes Imperial forces are big on disposability. it’s cheaper to throw another body at the problem and/or to throw another ship at the problem than to open yourself up to the problem existing longer by taking the time to have slightly less bodies and slightly less ships. TFA-era resource scarcity is uncertain as goes for human life versus equipment, though. (OT we can safely assume that the life of, say, a stormtrooper, is worth about as much as if not significantly less than their armor.)
“we just get orders. we’re like drone pilots, except we actually fly them” –martin, summarizing this post
Oh my lord it’s so much worse!
SO MUCH WORSE.
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bomberqueen17:
oh no @magickedteacup now I read all those things about TIE pilots, both Imperial and First Order, and I oh my god.
I sort of thought all those headcanons about Dark!Poe as a TIE fighter pilot being super-nuts were just headcanons for maximal agony, not actually fucking based on goddamn canon. What the fuck. Well then.
Finn surely knew some pilots. And he knew that pilots are fucking crazy. There’s no other way to characterize them! Jesus– so at first TIEs were designed to be disposable because the clone pilots were viewed as disposable (and what, planes are free? WTF Empire), but when they moved away from using clones the pilots refused to let engineers put shields onto TIEs because it was a point of pride that they had nothing to defend themselves with but their reflexes? And specifically the FO ones have been conditioned since youth to have fast reflexes? Christ almighty, what that says is that the FO has an entire corps of twitchy, suicidal pilots. That is what that says to me. They have to have such bizarre superstitious rituals, probably abuse stimulants, surely they burn out sometimes. They must be so twisted. I’m one thousand percent sure the FO does not have a corresponding psychologists’ corps to deal with these monsters they’ve created. (As an aside, too, in those two-seaters– how fucked-up do you think the gunners are? Those fuckers not only don’t have shields, they’re also not driving. I can’t fucking imagine. The two-seater TIEs are elite craft, so like– it’s an honor to be there and you have no shields and your driver is a fucking lunatic fanatic, in fact the best of the best thereof, who has been ceaselessly drilled since childhood to improve his reflexes, and told that if he dies it’s what he deserves. What does that make you???? )
So that means that Finn took one look at this Resistance pilot, knowing nothing about him except that he was a pilot and had mouthed off to Kylo Ren and had shot Slip, and was like, that dude is definitely completely fucking batshit, I’m gonna keep him.
That adds a whole lot to Finn’s grin and “I need a pilot” reaction when Poe got all bug-eyed and was like “you need a pilot”. Oh good, thought Finn, he is absolutely fucking crazy, that means he’s really a pilot.
How startled do you think he was later to learn that Poe wasn’t actually completely off his rocker?
Or, worse, what if his expectations were actually met? And the Resistance people were like “well you know, we’re under a lot of stress lately, most of us just got killed, we’re not usually so–”
and Finn’s like “Not usually so what? Everyone here seems normal. I mean, for pilots anyway. Actually you all twitch a lot less than I’m used to.”
That is fucked up you guys.
Tagged: also they state that pilots maintained their own aircraft which sounds like a fucking nightmare to me never give a pilot a wrench that’s a terrible fucking idea but what it says is that the pilots are *not* officers they are technicians that means they’re not at the briefings that means they’re not being given insight into commands they’re just handed orders and told to go for it they’re not given any input into missions they’re not asked anything they just blindly go and twitch where they’re told until they die
Successfully amused. Tagging @millicentthecat
[spoilers for Aftermath] by the end of the OT, TIE fighters have ejector seats… kind of… not particularly fabulously intuitive, hence why their existence is a spoiler… they exist now we’re all very proud of ourselves.
they’re also far more flexible/maneuverable than even the best Resistance ships, because of the whole “literally all offense” bit. “Of course, the trade-off is this: The TIE is a suicide ship, isn’t it? […] The whole thing is brittle like a bird skeleton.” (Poe’s reaction in TFA if that’s the first time he’s flown a First Order TIE fighter is probably similar to Nora’s here, tbh)
Bloodline confirms that after the war pilots (still) maintain their own ships, the idea being that if someone can fly fine but can’t–oh, here: “If you wanted to be an ace starfighter pilot, it wasn’t enough to love flying. You had to love everything that went into it, from flight pattern protocol to basic maintenance. Some guys who could fly like zephyrs washed out of the Academies because they couldn’t bring themselves back down to the ground long enough to take care of their ships.” (p. 228, that’s a Resistance pilot even)
by the time we’re looking at the First Order it might be more bloody-minded tradition–given that they started off with refurbished and salvaged Imperial ships–than practicality, but traditionally as far as resource preservation:production goes Imperial forces are big on disposability. it’s cheaper to throw another body at the problem and/or to throw another ship at the problem than to open yourself up to the problem existing longer by taking the time to have slightly less bodies and slightly less ships. TFA-era resource scarcity is uncertain as goes for human life versus equipment, though. (OT we can safely assume that the life of, say, a stormtrooper, is worth about as much as if not significantly less than their armor.)
“we just get orders. we’re like drone pilots, except we actually fly them” –martin, summarizing this post
Oh my lord it’s so much worse!
SO MUCH WORSE.
