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grrlcookery replied to your post “sugarspiceandcursewords replied to your post “validate me” …”
Uggggghhhhhhh same. Very happy with everything except that Everything Homely Is My Business. And, like, that’s a full-time job for a housekeeper and *they* get time off so wtf? (I hope all housekeepers everywhere get paid enough to pay others to do *their* cleaning as well but ho ho flocken ho.) And it’s like, not objectivelt that much for two people to share, but it *is* a Lot for one person to deal with, and all the time, energy and emotional management that goes with
This is why I’ve gone to some fairly extreme lengths to decouple myself from it. I did the Classic Rookie Mistake with a new “heterosexual” relationship, which is when the underemployed woman, bored, decides to play at being a housewife while she’s job-hunting, and the man, if he notices, is delighted and assumes that’s one of her main hobbies and it passes into the realm of Not His Problem and somehow magically never comes back, for the rest of their relationship, across the decades, no matter what happens to their circumstances. I have seen this happen to basically every X-ennial couple I know; all of us have gone through phases of one or the other or both partners being underemployed, and when it’s their turn the women always innocently think “well I’ve got all this time! I’ll tidy up around here! won’t that be fun, to live like grown-ups for once!” NOOOOOOO GIRL DON’T DO IT. I did that a little bit in our first year, and then a bunch in our third, and like a moron a bunch more in our like fifth or whatever, and it was a terrible fucking idea I’m still living with reverberations of.
Because here’s the other end of it: When Dude and I had been together like four or five years, somewhere in there, he went through a stint of unemployment while I was waitressing, and I’d come home from two different waitressing jobs and absent-mindedly bus the table where he had his entire day’s worth of dirty dishes, and finally I yelled at him for it and he was sorry but that has never meant he’d do his share. He never stepped up; he spent his unemployed days sitting on the couch and never did anything around the house at all.
Finally, I had a full-on nervous breakdown at one point, and said I don’t know what we’re eating next and I’ve used up every bit of myself to keep going this long and so henceforth if it’s up to me we’re just not eating, and that was that. And it sucked, but eventually he started taking a tiny bit of initiative– but I have to resist with every bit of my attention just taking over again, because if I don’t consciously keep paying attention and making him do half, before you know it, it’s 100% my decision again. He’ll cook, he’s always been willing to cook, as long as it’s something he can look up in Joy of Cooking and follow the recipe with only basic substitutions, but he won’t plan or decide unless forced to. Even this past weekend, he said “Well, I’ll just go buy us breakfast, do you want bagels or doughnuts?” and I was like “whatever you want” because I had been 100% in charge of food for almost two weeks at that point because I’d forgotten to make him do any of it, and he was back to not being able to choose anything because it’s so much easier to always let me do it. (I knew he’d prefer bagels, but I wasn’t going to choose bagels because I knew he wanted them. It felt mean but I forced him to choose. We had bagels. It was great but I had trouble choosing what kind I wanted, which was a good sign that I really had been making too many of the decisions lately.)
For the rest of our lives, that will be how it works. I have to contribute somewhat, of course, at least to the planning because I have good ideas (and, also, in an ideal world, I do like to plan meals and cook– I do! a little! not for a living! not as my sole hobby!), and once I’ve put in a few good ideas (like, say, listing off the stuff we already have and what it was bought for, because if he has not just purchased it it no longer exists to him, this is a fine and valid way of thinking and I think this way too but somehow I am the only one who can dredge up the self-awareness to think “I know we already own things and should go see what they are because I know I’ve forgotten”) he can then riff off of that and be inspired and happy and come up with stuff of his own, and in a good week, he’ll do the cooking two or three times and I’ll do it twice and then we’ll have leftovers or eat out once or twice, and so on. But it’s very, very easy, in a slightly bad week, for him to just check out and then it’s one hundred percent my problem until I make him pay attention again.
It’s extra-pernicious because I have the problem that many women have, where my full-time work is paid much less than his. He literally makes five times what I do in an hour, and he’s salaried, and I’m not, so if I come home early with a headache or take a long lunch break to run an errand, I’m making less that day, whereas he can stay home all day if he wanted. It has never struck him that while he’s working from home he could change over the laundry or whatever, and I don’t want to ask him to, but you know if I had work from home flexibility I’d be taking little breaks for tiny household chores all the goddamn time, and we wouldn’t live like this.
Oh well.
grrlcookery replied to your post “sugarspiceandcursewords replied to your post “validate me” …”
Uggggghhhhhhh same. Very happy with everything except that Everything Homely Is My Business. And, like, that’s a full-time job for a housekeeper and *they* get time off so wtf? (I hope all housekeepers everywhere get paid enough to pay others to do *their* cleaning as well but ho ho flocken ho.) And it’s like, not objectivelt that much for two people to share, but it *is* a Lot for one person to deal with, and all the time, energy and emotional management that goes with
This is why I’ve gone to some fairly extreme lengths to decouple myself from it. I did the Classic Rookie Mistake with a new “heterosexual” relationship, which is when the underemployed woman, bored, decides to play at being a housewife while she’s job-hunting, and the man, if he notices, is delighted and assumes that’s one of her main hobbies and it passes into the realm of Not His Problem and somehow magically never comes back, for the rest of their relationship, across the decades, no matter what happens to their circumstances. I have seen this happen to basically every X-ennial couple I know; all of us have gone through phases of one or the other or both partners being underemployed, and when it’s their turn the women always innocently think “well I’ve got all this time! I’ll tidy up around here! won’t that be fun, to live like grown-ups for once!” NOOOOOOO GIRL DON’T DO IT. I did that a little bit in our first year, and then a bunch in our third, and like a moron a bunch more in our like fifth or whatever, and it was a terrible fucking idea I’m still living with reverberations of.
Because here’s the other end of it: When Dude and I had been together like four or five years, somewhere in there, he went through a stint of unemployment while I was waitressing, and I’d come home from two different waitressing jobs and absent-mindedly bus the table where he had his entire day’s worth of dirty dishes, and finally I yelled at him for it and he was sorry but that has never meant he’d do his share. He never stepped up; he spent his unemployed days sitting on the couch and never did anything around the house at all.
Finally, I had a full-on nervous breakdown at one point, and said I don’t know what we’re eating next and I’ve used up every bit of myself to keep going this long and so henceforth if it’s up to me we’re just not eating, and that was that. And it sucked, but eventually he started taking a tiny bit of initiative– but I have to resist with every bit of my attention just taking over again, because if I don’t consciously keep paying attention and making him do half, before you know it, it’s 100% my decision again. He’ll cook, he’s always been willing to cook, as long as it’s something he can look up in Joy of Cooking and follow the recipe with only basic substitutions, but he won’t plan or decide unless forced to. Even this past weekend, he said “Well, I’ll just go buy us breakfast, do you want bagels or doughnuts?” and I was like “whatever you want” because I had been 100% in charge of food for almost two weeks at that point because I’d forgotten to make him do any of it, and he was back to not being able to choose anything because it’s so much easier to always let me do it. (I knew he’d prefer bagels, but I wasn’t going to choose bagels because I knew he wanted them. It felt mean but I forced him to choose. We had bagels. It was great but I had trouble choosing what kind I wanted, which was a good sign that I really had been making too many of the decisions lately.)
For the rest of our lives, that will be how it works. I have to contribute somewhat, of course, at least to the planning because I have good ideas (and, also, in an ideal world, I do like to plan meals and cook– I do! a little! not for a living! not as my sole hobby!), and once I’ve put in a few good ideas (like, say, listing off the stuff we already have and what it was bought for, because if he has not just purchased it it no longer exists to him, this is a fine and valid way of thinking and I think this way too but somehow I am the only one who can dredge up the self-awareness to think “I know we already own things and should go see what they are because I know I’ve forgotten”) he can then riff off of that and be inspired and happy and come up with stuff of his own, and in a good week, he’ll do the cooking two or three times and I’ll do it twice and then we’ll have leftovers or eat out once or twice, and so on. But it’s very, very easy, in a slightly bad week, for him to just check out and then it’s one hundred percent my problem until I make him pay attention again.
It’s extra-pernicious because I have the problem that many women have, where my full-time work is paid much less than his. He literally makes five times what I do in an hour, and he’s salaried, and I’m not, so if I come home early with a headache or take a long lunch break to run an errand, I’m making less that day, whereas he can stay home all day if he wanted. It has never struck him that while he’s working from home he could change over the laundry or whatever, and I don’t want to ask him to, but you know if I had work from home flexibility I’d be taking little breaks for tiny household chores all the goddamn time, and we wouldn’t live like this.
Oh well.